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Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:39 pm on July 16, 2008
 Quote: from N e o at 1:37 am on July 17, 2008
Just as some species of ant's are not capable of living without being part of a colony? 
Ah, but this is different. These species you talk about are already living in the world. "Babies" inside a mother are not living in the world. Maybe their own little world, but that is quite different.
I don't see how that baby is not living in this world. Physically it is, within the mother. Just as an ant lives within a colony. Can the ant leave? Sure, but it will die.
Can the baby leave? Not by choice, but if it does it will also die. Post edited at 10:45 pm on July 16, 2008 by N e o
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Quote: from meine92 at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008
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Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008
Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?
By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.
How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.
Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?
Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not.
No it does not, but it has the potential to.
Of course. I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. The most likely thing is that if the baby is not aborted, it will be put up for adoption, be molested and raped by its adopters, most likely abuse a controlled substance, live an utterly fruitless life, and do absolutely nothing with its life but be a drain on society.
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Quote: from N e o at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 11:32 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008
Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?
By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.
How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.
Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?
Does 1 person affect the entire planet? No. Collectively as a whole, we do. Just as every other species on this planet does. As of now we are destroying the planet.
I know many will disagree with this, but, look at Hitler.
Although most of the world disagreed with what he was doing (refering to the Holocaust) he and his followers felt that genocide of everyone but the Aryans was for the best.
Who knows? Maybe it would of been for the best.
In the Aryan's eyes, one person changed the world for the best by starting a large genocide movement.
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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:45 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:38 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008
Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?
By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.
How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.
Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?
Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not.
No it does not, but it has the potential to.
Of course. I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. The most likely thing is that if the baby is not aborted, it will be put up for adoption, be molested and raped by its adopters, most likely abuse a controlled substance, live an utterly fruitless life, and do absolutely nothing with its life but be a drain on society.
 I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. 
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Gods are fragile things. They can be killed
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Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:49 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from N e o at 1:42 am on July 17, 2008
I don't see how that baby is not living in this world. Physically it is, within the mother. Just as an ant lives within a colony. Can the ant leave? Sure, but it will die.
Can the baby leave? Not by choice, but if it does it will also die.
Yes, physically it is. But, it is not in the exposed world, like the ant is. Curious.
If ants invaded your house, would you set traps to get rid of them? The ant to abortion connection isn't working for me.
Yes, i'd kill every one of them. I also don't see a problem with abortion.
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Quote: from N e o at 11:31 pm on July 16, 2008
Quote: from im with stupid at 11:29 pm on July 16, 2008
It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it? The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption.
No, I am simply comparing abortion to the killing of bugs. How is it any different?
Uh... I am going out on a limb here and assuming you didn't notice the glaring difference. A bug is not a human being? I don't know, might just be me, but that one kind of stands out. FP EDIT: Apparently, I'm dysexlic. Post edited at 11:38 pm on July 16, 2008 by FurryPanther
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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:21 am on July 17, 2008
No matter how long it lives and how old it grows, a cockroach will never discover a cure for cancer, find a way to reverse global warming, end world hunger or really do much besides scurry and carry disease. If left to nature, a fetus will grow and develop and has the potential to do all of those things and still have time to make a perfect grilled cheese sandwich at the end of the day. Potential is the difference here.
That baby could also grow up to be Hitler. Or a homeless deranged drug addict. Or autistic. It doesn't really matter either way because if you just nip it in the bud we'll be sure it won't grow into anything at all. Edit: and actually, if left to nature, the baby would die hours after its born, unless it's cared for by the mother. Neglecting it pre or post partum would produce the same result. Post edited at 10:13 am on July 17, 2008 by Micus
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